seeing that

"I still think we're way off the potential of this team and let's just hope we start seeing that," added Carling, who was had a part-time mentoring role with England under Borthwick's predecessor Eddie Jones.

Debord’s genius was in seeing that world in its totality and not in the fragmentary form in which it wants to be seen.

Seeing that his new team can provide him the same opportunities also has a role in helping him move forward.

"Every movie that you see, every film that makes anybody from any other part of the world want to come to California is based on their seeing that Pacific Coast Highway and those beautiful homes in Malibu, across along the beach. They're all gone," he said.

“I feel like walking into the space and seeing that is crazy,” adds the model, entrepreneur and actor who’s perhaps best known for his work on OWN’s “Queen Sugar” and the highest-grossing comedy of 2017, “Girls Trip.”